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BenKenaz's avatar

As a fairly mainstream Israeli, I would suggest that these would be very incorrect conclusions for the countries of the region to draw. It just isn’t true that Israel is “focused purely on brutal domination of its neighbors with no respect for their lives or sovereignty”. We aren’t brutally dominating all of our neighbors or disrespecting their lives and sovereignty. This brutal treatment is reserved for those neighbors who are themselves brutal towards us and have spent decades threatening to kill us and doing everything they can to actualize those threats.

Israel isn't just randomly attacking states in the region for wanting to be sovereign or for having capacity. The fact is that countries who don’t spend decades attacking us are not under any kind of threat from Israel and never have been. Instead, Israel supplies them with 5-10% of their water in the case of Jordan, ~1/6 of their gas needs in the case of Egypt and billions of dollars of trade in the cases of Turkey and the UAE. Even Qatar has enjoyed importing our military and cyber technology (I wish this wasn’t true but it is was it is).

And it isn’t even true that Israel won’t allow these Muslim-majority countries to have the military capacity to threaten them. Turkey and Egypt already do, and have been massively building these capacities up over the years without any serious objection or opposition from Israel. Israel hasn't done anything to threaten either of their sovereignties or engaged in any conflict with them even in light of these buildups. All of this evidence undermines your thesis.

In reality, all the countries in the region have to do to avoid the Iran treatment is: 1. Not constantly threaten to kill us; and 2. Not actually try to kill us. The rhetoric of Turkey and Egypt over the years show that we will even compromise on 1. These things shouldn’t be too hard.

At the end of the day Iran and the "Axis of Resistance" have, in their different adventures in Syria, Yemen, Lebanon and Iraq, killed at least 5x more Arabs and Muslims than Israel ever has. They have played a major role in destabilizing and/or destroying these Arab countries. It is probably too much to ask that the people of the region thank us for defanging this threat that hurt them as much as it hurt us. But maybe, instead of working towards another round of civilizational conflict in 5-10 years, they should consider just taking the novel approach of not fighting us?

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A yid fun Loivitch's avatar

I follow your writings which are often insightful, but this reads like a lot of wishful thinking. I don’t know much about the current sentiment in Iran, but during the war with Lebanon I followed Lebanese social media. It was quite evident that while no one there loves Israel, they mostly recognized that Hezbollas’ recklessness brought this war upon them and that they would have never been touched by Israel if they would have left Israel alone. I believe the same is understood by all people in the region. Iran is suffering for its own aggression against Israel. Countries at peace with Israel know they have no reason to fear Israel.

It’s too soon to say where the current war with Iran is expected to go. But if the Iranians buckle and drink the poison chalice, this will in all likelihood mark the end of radical nihilist militancy in the region. It is just as likely that Israel will reach peace agreements with Lebanon and Syria. As regards the Palestinian issue, the demographic headwinds are now on Israel’s side for the decades to come. The Gaza war will end sooner or later. Many Palestinians who can, will move out of Gaza. Many Jews from the diaspora will move to Israel. With Hamas type militancy fully discredited, Palestinians will pursue a more constructive path. Either they will manage to secure a mini-state in the West Bank by diplomacy, or there will be one state with cultural autonomy for the Palestinians and a path to citizenship for those willing to take an oath of loyalty to the State of Israel. A decade from now, when the passions and the propaganda will subside, people will look back at this period and see very clearly how all this started and how it ended.

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